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what would it be, for the children and their parents, without their programs? with this give them a free and safe place for healthy recreation, to help them with their homework? let alone, what would happen for the is getting off track with their lives. if it wasn't for the safe haven, that we offered to them, turning them into productive members of the society. what would it mean for the 85,000 families, to get employment and training. what would it mean for the 100 small-business families that work in the flea markets?
for these people, this is the only income they have to support their families. because of the greed and benefit of one person, with the hopes of a better future for their families and the workforce. can anyone among the audience answer this question. if this project passes, where will the children play? where will these small businesses find -- the services take place very early in the parking lot. the future residents will complain later, with the economy and the social consciousness. we cannot allow for this to happen.
arriba juntos is willing to buy this so we can continue the human services mission. thank you. -- >> susanna -- -- >> i represent the russian community. my family, when we came here -- we did not have any money. we didn't have a lot of resources. my parents were working -- they had to choose a shelter where they paid for the food. i started to volunteer, so my job was to come in at 5:00 in the morning and we would have
people there to get the food. we would get the numbers to the people. we had 900 people just to get through. my job is to organize all those people. right now the economy is very bad and people don't have the money to buy food. people with disabilities stay in the disabled blind. just to get a little bag of groceries, whenever they provide. arriba juntos prepares tax-free tax preparation, and we offer this even on the weekends. thank you very much. --
discussion but not at this moment. i have no more speaker cards. those who have not spoken, please come to the microphone, or if you want to show your support or opposition. >> i am charles and did not expect to speak to this issue, i came for another issue but i have been somewhat and involved with arriba juntos and absolutely amazed and pleased with such wonderful work that they are doing for the community. i am a developer and a business owner, and i am property owner, and i feel, unfortunately, that this particular project is a misfit for the area that will
impact hundreds of people and their services to the community which absolutely necessary. we are a service-oriented community and i feel that -- i am also the chairman of the council of armenian-american organizations but i am is speaking for myself. i would hope that you take this into consideration. i do not want this organization or others in the service area to be impacted by a project such as this. thank you. -- >> good afternoon, commissioners. uni have something in common. i was helping you with your food pantry -- so we have something in common.
i do my volunteer work with the food distribution, and we serve about 900 people. we have got up to 1000. cumbersome and overwhelming, it is my hope that each of you commissioners will take the time to come and visit so that you can see for yourself the tremendous work that these people have put together. this is a business of 46 years, 46 years. i think it has established itself in the community, and for you to sit there and say, one more speaker -- i want to go home. i am tired, but can you imagine the people who have to leave
their work to come here to present their opposition to what has been presented. i worked in the community for 54 years. my own zero in cultural center on third and mission, out in the historical building. i have given my life to the city because i believe in the people can we serve the cross section of the people. we have asian and latino, and italian, antony -- antonini. >> lebanini, god bless you. you have to deal with the cross- section of people. we entertainers who came to us
to support what we have been doing and this is commendable. you have to make some kind of a decision. i would not want to be in your shoes because this is very difficult. somebody has to win and someone has to lose. in this case we will not lose and let me tell you why. we have given such a tremendous. of charity to the people in the community, establishing ourselves. this is something the commissioners should look upon. they should say that we're doing tremendous work at arriba juntos. make it a point to visit arriba juntos and you will appreciate the work that is being done for the community. in serving people, we do god's
work. thank you. >> good afternoon. i work for arriba juntos. i am the resident of san francisco and i promote the community and is so tremendously against this project. this is about community and compatibility. there is no compatibility. i was outraged with how this will impact a lot of the services by want to think about one service we offer. from 4:00 until 5:00. in the tae bo class, we have people from the community and children from the elementary school, in every friday. if these projects continue i can
tell you that the first thing that will go is the friday afternoon class. not only in a community gathering but this is also promoting health among the residents. i asked you to please give the opportunity to further study this project. i heard one of the speakers to say that this is not about community, this is not just about family. we are talking about two families against this who were not in here because of rules and regulations. how many are not here because they have to go work and their children are in the after-school program. i am a resident of san francisco.
i hope that my opinion is worth something. i never spoke with them. this is about compatibility. and this is obviously not compatible. think about this carefully. thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners. i own 49 julian with john ward. i am working builder, 40 years in the city. we purchased this with a great deal of personal savings. we made our application to the city. we were told about the eastern neighborhoods and their plan, we
waited long and expensive years for this to be resolved. i have been working with him for all that time, i am happy to finally be here at the commission this afternoon. the charity work of arriba juntos is commendable and by no means would be affected them in continuing the work. we will disclose the new owners the existing activities and there will be fully disclosed when the owners are aware. we have abided by the rules, and agreed to compromise to accommodate neighbors' concerns and we ask at this time -- we are not developers. we are two working families who build homes that work in the neighborhoods and we will do our
best to make this happen. i ask that you allow us to continue our project. thank you for your time. >> we have no more speaker cards. mr. kim, you spoke. we have no more speaker cards. is there anyone else would like to speak to the commission at this time? seeing no additional public comment, public comment is closed. commissioner antininionini: mr., you spoke about your outreach. did you try to have reached all the different groups that were named, or at least as many of them as you could identify? there were many with the neighborhood. >> i represent the project sponsor.
what is addressed by myself -- and the representative, i spoke to everybody in the neighborhood. i had to personally back to get a meeting with him. i asked him to please invite any other members of the board, the letters that he receives, no one else but him attended that meeting. i think we should expand on that and we should hear what he has to say. >> i would like to hear about your outreach. >> andrew gregg. a lot has been said about the lack of dialogue. at the one meeting we were allowed to have, we were told that they were going to fight us. i was not satisfied with that and i called the executive director twice and those calls were never answered. i've been called a representative of tracie brown,
twice, and we set up meetings and a couple of hours before both meetings, she canceled. we were wanting to have this hour -- and have been shot down by arriba juntos, and we learned a lot more about the other umbrella positions that they work with. we tried to mirror the shutdown. one other portion of this conversation that we should not double chair -- he said, quite definitively, that they have interest in purchasing this property. and that would bring the price down. he said this to us, flatly. >> thank you and i appreciate your comments and would assume that if this is approved, you would be willing to work with them and the neighborhood to
see if we could reach an accord. this is troubling. there was a woman who said that this would be like a football game. if this is approved, this will be good for everybody. this is a very small project. this has been around since 2005 and is only 50 feet. there are 360 units approved in the general vicinity with 230 under construction, many of which are condominiums. these are not all rental units or low-income units, most are market-rate. 1880 mission, we approved the ownership and they could beat printing those for the time being. their intention is to be middle-
income, home-ownership units which we are trying to get in san francisco. there are many ownership units in the area. this tiny project is surrounded by two very high structures, one of them is the armory. 1880 mission is 65 feet, maybe less in some areas. we have the exhibition that was sent to the project sponsor and it was asked that they would give this to the prospective condo owners, and they have agreed to do this. this is a list of all of the activities that go on, so they know at a time what goes on and they have to approve or be informed of this. obviously, this is important and
is just like the situation where someone moves into the area with a lot of entertainment and complain about the noise. when somebody spends the money to buy one of these units, they would have to understand the neighborhood that they are in and the situation. the idea of a changing your activities is much overstated. there will not be that much of an impact. the other thing they did is a lot of modifications to lessen the impact on the armory parade grounds, and i would certainly be willing to approve of this with the idea that they continue to work if there is a request for another setback -- if this is necessary, to satisfy the armory, we will do this but this does not have to be done. i am not sure what is going on
here. there was hpc approval, and this project has nothing to do with the programs of arriba juntos. there will be no negative impact and if anything, there will be a positive impact. a lot of the funding -- funding comes from the city, and we do not get money without taxes. if we don't get this built without revenue, we cannot give to these organizations and then you don't have the funding to continue. and the owners in the area want to be good neighbors. there may be things that happen in the neighborhood that you do not like either, that they may spot as being eyes on the street and let you know that there is activity that you do not approve of. we are about violence prevention
and we can be partners in the whole thing. we don't want violence in the neighborhood or anywhere else. if you talk about disruptions, the construction of 880 -- the construction on 1880 mission, if there is the interest to purchase the property or if there is an interest in someone who needs to be paid off. i just do not know what is going on. i think this is a fine project and i will move to approve. commissioner sugaya: just to clarify, the project is under a conditional use because the project filed during the time the eastern neighborhood plan was undergoing their approval process. the conditional use is required
because this is coming in under the old zoning. thank you. if this developer were to if they were to abandon this particular project, and either he or another owner then would be subject to the new zoning, -- and if this person or persons came in to submit a residential project, this is not subject to any hearings. >> this is a principle it permitted project, and the hearing is not automatic but this could be filed in which case this will be brought forward for review. >> do you know about, the height
limit drops from 50-45 feet, and this means potentially there would be a loss of units. it could possibly be as much as six units. do you know the consequences? >> can you repeat the question? >> if this was to be at 45 feet, would you lose one floor? >> 45 feet would take off of floor. the architect -- >> thank you. i am asking those questions to let the audience know that the potential for another project does not go away. and in fact, the process for the developer would be much smoother than this particular one. in any case, i understand these concerns, that have been expressed. this is light -- like living
next to an airport. we have had a lot of discussion in the western selma about entertainment, and how the entertainment should be accommodated, but we have neighbors and neighbors began to complain about the noise that is created. i think this is a matter of the use of -- the empty lot. the part of the property that is not currently built on. i was there on a thursday afternoon. that is when the food distribution activities were going on. i understand that at other times, regularly on friday, there are activities outside. in new stand these concerns, and the potential for the new owners of the units to begin to lodge
complaints and that kind of thing. i am kind of torn about what exactly we should do. my only suggestion, if this was to move ahead in any fashion, it is to have the floor plan change. this is affecting the armory, and there plans to use the drug court, or other things. to make certain that there are gathering places and other things. the bedrooms face the armory, rather than the arriba juntos property. this may lessen the amount of noise coming from the activities and assuming that the drug court activities would not be as numerous and in fact would be contained within the
building, this may do something to lessen the potential impact of the project on the activities sponsored by them. this is something that i throw out there that something to consider. commissioner miguel: i appreciate commissioner sugaya's analysis of the zoning and the actual architecture. this is something worth considering, without question. i appreciate everything that the organization and the satellite organizations do, arriba juntos does some great work. but there were a couple of comments that exception to. they only purchased the property to make money.
of course. why else would you purchase property? and what is wrong with trying to make an income? come on. immigrants to the united states and at some point other than perhaps, if you don't go as back for as american indians, all families were -- i was not going to include our medium but i will know. russian and irish -- irish and latino and asian, we have those recent, first-generation immigrants coming to our developers. they purchase property to make money. there is nothing wrong with that. this is a very small project. there were inferences that these are condominiums.